I fear that your 2012 X1 is now past the 7 year warranty limit. Thoughts?? I bought 2012 X1 with 85,000km and after reading different posts makes me worried about the timing chain issue, I called the dealer they said there is no recall on this vehicle except driver side air bag! Other Repairs Intake Camshaft: Installation faulty. iTrader: ( 0) After change chain tensioner - Drivetrain Malfunction. 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I took it to the dealership for a diagnostic test and check-up. Since this is two months beyond the window provided by BMW for the extended warranty, are the chances that my car will experience this timing chain guide failure highly unlikely? Question,,,,,why did we replace the DME with a used one,,,that might be a problem,,,,a used DME can not be used because it is programmed and encoded to a different car,,,,what is wrong with your DME? I ask because here ethanol is not too widespread and should not represent more than 1% of vehicles on the gasoline market. A service advisor at a reputable independent repair shop was concerned about the brief rattle/stutter (5 second mark) in this video upon ignition. Did you hear anything like this before? 120408 Intermittent Charging pressure control: switch-off as consequence The Bank 1 on the definition refers to the side of the engine that has the cylinder #1. code:131501 VANOS, intake, cold start: not controllable. F10 If one of the applicable faults listed above is not stored in the DME fault memory then continue What about the rest? Hi,,,yes your car is not on the list but that doesnt mean that it still has this problem,,,and since your car is 4 wheel drive the chain is not being used more it is the same on both 4 wheel drive and rear wheel drive,,,,now if you want to keep the vehicle it is a good idea to replace the timing chain and rails and oil pump chain for safety reasons. If you are interested here is the rest of the story. When I read the code through ISTA, these codes are. It has the N26 engine, factory warranty has expired. One other odd problem during this time was the oil level test did not work. The hardcore BMW fan base could not help but fall in love with the spritely performance offered by this upgraded engine. Only in eco or comfort mode when I drive carefully or just keeping a normal speed at low rpm. To set the timing properly you have to be sure the Vanos units are locked its end position, so its moving 1:1 with the camshaft. How does this help the car in what way? This TC issue really is so unfortunate, at a time when BMWAG is behind upstart like Tesla and old foes like Audi. I manually crank engine over few time but after start it always goes retarded on exhaust cam shaft. Just realized the cut off is February 2015, not 2014. Even though work time labor operation code 61 00 006 ends in 006, it is not considered a Main Maybe I should replace them? 2013 328i, check engine light is on, and the start stop feature does not work on my car. The dealership should be interested in fixing it because it means money for the tech and for the dealership,,,,that doesnt make any sense. Yesterday when i was driving the car normally on the hwy the drivetrain malfunction popped up and car went into a reduced power mode. Sorry for the confusion, I understand you have the N20 engine,,,,what Im saying on the N20 engine the vans unit failing is not a common problem like the N51,,,,,on the N20 engine there are no replacement bolts for the vanos unit not like the N51. Ok the charge boost pressure fault is related to the vanos faults,,,,the vanos faults could be a couple of things but since you just replaced the timing chain maybe the timing is not correct on the intake vanos unit? Since its not on the list, does this mean this timing chain guide failure is highly unlikely? I hate to take it to the junk yard. I am thinking switching vanos solenoids and see result. Also how does a dealerships diagnose if a vehicle is eligible for extended timing chain warranty? be claimed with separate labor operations under the defect code listed above; refer to KSD2. What are related problems? The year of 2012 was a year of impending upgrades in . I would like the tackle the Vanos issue first and go from there. I would love to listen to your video,,,please send it. Also that didnt make a difference and fault is still on outlet side. 131908 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Position not reached Now im getting vanos inlet, outlet codes, along with vanos camshaft jammed for both intake and exhaust. 2008 BMW 128I [0.00] Check engine light DTC 131501. Here is the list of cars that have the 7/70 timing chain extension. I have a N20 Engine/ 328i April 2013 / F30, the dash states drivetrain malfunction and the check engine light went on. Ive enjoyed your blog and I hope you will start posting again. So now I have one BMW expert telling me its loose and should be taken care of by the dealership, and the dealership is telling me everything is good to go, no problems. Thats important to know for later. It definitely isnt a prominent/dangerous rattling sound like in the video Jack posted on Aug 30. 131501-VANOS inlet, cold start not consolable. as suggested by dealer over phone or something else? BMW like to keep some things to them selfs,,,,they dont want to release any information if they dont have to. Today I changed Chain tensioner as preventative maintenance, but soon I start the car, I got Drivetrain Malfunction. With the engine running the function test for the exhaust and intake VANOS passes. 'nhUO}gFXA}_+7"F.\ztVw@%/`>vny#(`YN:2ed_zI.. Im wondering do I need to have the 7/70 warranty to get BMW covered on this timing chain issue? Also, I keep getting this code P3195 Radiator coolant temperature signal stuck high, BMW fixed the radiator but this code keeps coming on and off, some days it stays on some days it doesnt stay on. The engine is running rough at idle. He believes that its not enough oil pressure in the tensioner therefore is not tight as it should be. Suddenly the half yellow engine light came on and was telling me that reduced engine power bla bla. I have done my timing chain after finish car starts up runs but would not idle until cel come on. But when I try to test VANOS data via ISTA it gives no data, only 0. Can the N20 Vanos valve be replaced through the actuator hole without removing the valve cover and locking the cams? Or do you think its just possible plastic bits of junk in the sump pump pick up? Do I have to buy the extended warranty to get the timing chain replaced by BMW or the 7/70 warranty is for all bmw? Any thoughts!!! Yes you have a 2015 you have a better chance of no timing chain issues. Tried new battery. or This is a common issue on the N20 engine. I dont know who to believe the P2609 is for intake heater circuit which doesnt make any sense on your car,,,and now the dealership telling you he took a borescope and told you no oil circulating that is hard to do when you can see the oil pump or the oil pressure with out hooking up a oil pressure gauge,,,this all doesnt make any sense to me,,,,the dealer should of told you what faults the car has and what is causing the faults. 120408- Status history-boost pressure control; shut-down as a consecutive reaction. 2D56 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Position not reached 130308 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, position not reached It has never been in an accident and the body is in excellent shape. I checked the timing chain, it looks fine. Kostenlose Lieferung fr viele Artikel! They also got me up to speed on the known timing chain issues, extended 7yr/70,000 mile extended warranty and class action lawsuit stuff. I am troubleshooting an issue with it already for weeks now and unfortunately I was not able to find the root cause yet. I've done exactly the same thing and caused this issue by replacing the timing chain tensioner. As many have said before, thank you for your very valuable insights and information. The tensioner sometime start to malfunctioning due to lack of motor oil (it is actioned by the oil pressure). Is it possible to remove the snap ring and take out the VANOS spool valve, spring and check ball for cleaning with the VANOS unit in the engine? I got a few drivetrain malfunctions last week: 131501 vanos, intake, cold start; not adjustable 120408 reduced power mode. The starter and engine appear to make no attempt to start. I havent been sleeping well. Thank You very much for the reply !! Idk what to do at this point im devastated. There can typically be a ton of different. The oil filter element appears to collapsed / sucked in at the center. https://www.bmwtis.net/tiscode/cgi-bin/bulletin.aspx?sie_path=/tsb/bulletins/htm_store/158 1/6/2014 I have a 2015 x1 with an April 2015 manufacture date. If I reach my finger in through oil filler cap with the engine off and cold, is it normal for there to be some slack in the timing chain on an N20? When the VANOS solenoids were removed for testing I checked the marks I made on the VANOS impulse wheels and on the harmonic balancer and they looked perfect. Example: P1055 Hex Codes are typically given by more advanced scanners. Entdecken Sie SKF VKMA38227 Keilrippenriemensatz Keilriemen Satz Keilriemensatz fr BMW in der groen Auswahl bei eBay. The oil and filter were changed along with the timing chain. F31 You should ask the dealer about it. No car manufacturer is going to tell you the problems with their car,,,they are just worried about the sale of that car,,,,not what is wrong with that car. Do you think is this something related to eccentric shaft sensor? E89 It was somewhat cold today around 20 degrees. Labor Operation: Labor Allowance: Description: I saw a video where the chap replaced it without the locks and I thought it was an easy DIY. F010-13-07-506 for the F10 Thanks, The charge pressure fault is probably due to the the vanos fault,,,,it looks like you replaced all the general stuff already and you are sure the timing is correct,,,,,you said the engine had low water damage what does that mean,,,is it possible the exhaust camshaft is binding,,,,you might want to check the exhaust camshaft journal caps. 2D5A VANOS, intake, control fault, camshaft jammed https://www.bmwtis.net/tiscode/cgi-bin/bulletin.aspx?sie_path=/tsb/bulletins/htm_store/158 1/6/2014 120308 charge air pressure 130E20 Jake 6,848 satisfied customers I replaced my timing chain and oil chain on my 2012 BMW carlosbosch satisfied customers Daniel Im not really sure its my 2012 BMW 320i (F30) probably produced from 05/2012 affected by this or not as its did not show in the list. Hello BMW technician, I know there is a lawsuit going on with N20 timing chain in NJ District Court F10, F25, F30, F31 and F34: One customer describe his 2013 BMW F18 525Li with 61000km mileage got trouble.The car engine warning light on and central display "Transmission malfunction".But it can start engine and accelerate normally.More repair cases about BMW,please check here:BMW Trouble Repair Use BMW ISID to diagnose,got trouble code as below: Fault Code: 135401 Fault Explanation: Valvetronic: overloaded How do I approach the dealer saying I hear a noise and whatnot for them to fix it while it is still under warranty? F30 / F31 / F32 / F33 / F34 / F36 (2012 - current). Thank you for your time and expertise. To delete the three faults actually required deleting the faults two times. Labor Operation: Labor Allowance: Description: Location: Chicago. Engine also has forged crankshaft with 4 counterweights that is installed with shift. Ive change engine mount, spark plug, coil but problem is the same. I have a 2013 528xi. One or more of the following faults is stored in the Tried to read live camshaft sensors read ista says that currenty no data is sent from them to DME. Yes you can check the oil pressure,,,also when the mechanic performed the timing chain repairs the oil pan was off and hopefully he checked the oil pump screen for and debris and cleaned it out. All wiring lines are good. and if necessary, also And is the tension just spring our does it rely on oil pressure as well? I have 2013 BMW X1 xdrive28i with 79,000 km on it. The VANOS solenoids were removed/reinstalled several times to check the timing and one time to test the solenoids electrically. I have a f10 2013 528i x drive with 105k miles on it , The engine makes a rattling noise when cold and its not as loud when the car warms up but when driving at around 1-25 mph their is a whining noise coming from the engine. Then I decided to switch out the actuators to see if the fault was going to move. F025-13-07-506 for the F25 Please advice. 131501 vanos inlet cold start not controllable and 120408 boost pressure control cut off pressure rise blocked 2011 x3. Seems like the locking pins are stuck. Two questions: Should I be concerned about the timing chain/guides issue in her vehicle? Owned Program. Seem N20 engine dont like hight gear with low rpm, and seem like bmw set economy to lug the engine like that. I dont want to sell the car because nobody is going to give me what I bought it for. 130304 Vanos exhaust control fault camshaft jammed Hi I live in California and im planning to buy a used 2015 bmw x3 xDrive28i (F25) then I saw the this post. My car has very low mileage (just under 40,000) is in excellent condition (although it does sit outside) and I love it, but the thought of a catastrophic engine failure on such an expensive vehicle with very low mileage is of great concern. 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