My mom would like to know" while another asked, "Is mama Africa a good name for you? No it doesnt excuse what theyve said, but its likely that they have changed, which is something everybody does and it should be embraced. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I really dislike fat girls. I dont know if youre Korean or not (your blog doesnt say) but if you arent, I consider everything youve said invalid information. But seeing these articles faze me. media-tech companies with hubs around the world. True, the haters just don't know them so they judge easily. And then later on she includes a list of problematic things that her favourite (boy) group has done and it's literally 3x as long. Contents 1 History 1.1 Pre-debut 1.2 2014: Debut with Hello, and Piano Man 1.3 2015: Pink Funky 1.4 2016: Melting, MOOSICAL and Memory 1.5 2017: MOOSICAL Curtain Call and Purple eventAction: 'click_adunit' It then grew and grew until every day Mamamoo was receiving complaints about their dancing, calling their vocals fake, and most of all, attacking their looks and hygiene. 1,891 Rep. 1 Year of Service. Group. I've researched it online and all I see are hate comments, especially towards Solar and Wheein. I suffer from lots of different mental health problems (I dont want to go too into detail but I have ADHD and also struggle with BPD, bipolar + other issues) and this blog really does not help. Im ironically bad at dealing with conflict, which might make some people question why I started this blog (it was actually an accident, long story), but Ive tried not to let it affect my running of this blog. They're also one of the very few idol groups where everyone has expressed that they're supportive of the LGBT+ community, which is huge especially in such a conservative country like South Korea. I always try to reblog posts made by the people who are affected and include links in my responses but I havent been so good at keeping my mouth shut when it doesnt involve me, which is something I am going to change in myself. When I say this, the person might think, Look whos talking, but I would reply, Im a boy and youre a girl, To this, both Kim Shin Young and announcer Gu Eun Young retorted, Why does gender matter in this situation? Its easy for us to do because we arent in their position, I know we like to believe that we would be 100% perfect celebrities if we were given the chance, but we havent been in the spotlight for 10 years (Im sure I would have messed up far more than some of the members have over 10 years). You are entitled to your own opinion, and if what Mamamoo has done is considered too ignorant or rude for you to support them anymore, that is 100% in your right to not excuse them for it. You dont owe them anything in the lines of forgiveness, especially if you were one of the people they personally hurt with their past actions. Yeah, the first thing international fans do is hear that Mamamoo is bad and that they shouldn't like them, and then they jump in on the hate without doing their own research. Mamamoo is a 4 member girl group under Rainbow Bridge World whose members are Solar, Moonbyul, Wheein and Hwasa and they made their debut on 19th June 2014. The thing to note here is that Hwasa is not fluent in English. Yet we wonder why idols have to constantly showcase an "image" in order to not upset fans. It arguably began around late 2018 Windflower era, when antis began to change Mamamoo's music video titles to racial slurs and death threats. I dont think they take care of their bodies well, Performed with Boom, while he was donning blackface, Called N from VIXX fucking trash among many other things, sneaked into a room in which girls were sleeping and touched them, I do not wish to acknowledge homosexuals, that scenario must have looked like a drug deal., Implied negative things about Goo Hara dating around a lot, If someone had to lose weight, I would tell that person to lose weight. In the boy groups section, there are fans defending them for everything and even saying things like, "Come back when ___(male idols)__ abuse people, then we'll talk about them being 'problematic'." I hear people say that she added it in to a song that didn't have it on purpose but that version is on Melon. Our hearts on fire . Feb 22, 2023. 2) Its a good thing that people talk about suju being problematic? This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. Press J to jump to the feed. But this often means the backlash is swift and severe anytime she puts out new content. I'm gonna keep following them and follow my own judgement. They expect idols to be the wokest people out there because theyre celebrities when in reality theyre just the product of their colorist society. if(document.querySelector("#ads")){ Im still slightly dubious because I dont have the whole video and Im a cynical person but I would like to sincerely apologise for any misinformation I have spread, as it is honestly not what I intend to do with this blog. actually dont feel like fighting that person on their response, so im just letting it go. Thats not fair to them at all and makes absolutely no sense. They wont know the nuances of why what they did is offensive to us and thats why we tell them. I cant undo posting it, but I regret it and Im really, genuinely sorry for spreading incorrect information and for any of the fans I upset. If it had just been misheard or a mistranslation, why would they censor it? Thanks for posting this. It hurts my heart to see people bash them like that, it really does. okay so Ive seen quite a few people get mad about the master post I made about super junior (some people have linked me to what others have said, other posts Ive seen floating around) and there is a lot of valid criticism being said, and some other stuff which seems to just be a misunderstanding. | A Japanese Man Reacts to Duolingo Let's ask Shogo | Your. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Because of mistakes that they've made out of ignorance, mistakes that they've apologized for. You don't have to to forgive them for the blackface but I see far too much misinformation being spread and everyone just take as word. The Official MAMAMOO 18+ Thread - The Bar (18+) - OneHallyu Hello everyone, in honor of MAMAMOOs super awesome comeback for their sassy title track, Um Ah Oh Yeh, from their Pinky Funky mini album, I have decided to create a 18+ thread for the sexy ladies of MAMAMOO. omg?? Its so sad because I love them and hope they grow more internationally. Non fans for all the questions, suggestions, reviews, anything. I'm sure I'm still unlearning a lot of things today. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. ", The link includes the statements released on the group's behalf, most notably, their own apologies for their use of blackface which was released within four hours of the video going out. let gads_event; #1,972. We're celebrities too but we're human first.". . if(document.querySelector("#google_image_div")){ Her wig: Now I can understand how it can be seen as cultural appropriation. If we reflect on our own selves, Im sure a lot of us have done some similar things that could be classified as questionable if we were always in the spotlight as idols too. Korean girl group Mamamoo apologized Saturday after a video clip aired at their concert that featured the quartet in blackface. Things not included arent included because they DIDNT happen, stop believing lies told by edgy kpop stans w/o any recipts https://t.co/rBMH79ZvlD, HELP i dont like hwasa but some of yall going a little to far, some of yall preach mental health but pick and choose who that applies too ngl i let out a couples laughs tho#AskHwasa pic.twitter.com/GbxXzX6Fna. A lot of it is about perspective, and privilege, but also some people have lower tolerance levels than other people. They could learn about Korean values and customs online, but they'll never truly understand the severity of it because they're not from that culture where it's significant. Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa. The whole thing was carelessly done and not very thorough. Another thing is my mental health. Im getting upset the more I think about it lol but really its just a lot of misconceptions; sometimes culturally and linguistically, that Americans like to hold a grudge against. Im not really sure what else to say, if anyone wants to talk to me about it, thats fine. That worried him. pg.acq.push(function() { kpop groups; soloists; socials and info; Back; kpop groups. pg.acq.push(function() { I feel like this sounds insincere but its not, I promise, I wish I had gone about it very differently. but this stuff isnt discussed when it comes to suju - people take anything and make it problematic for members who havent done things like kangin, shindong, leeteuk, and yesung, and then just throw it around to defend their favorites. 1 2 3 4 5 Maria29 Kpop Rookie Member Joined Dec 6, 2022 Messages 38 Location Houston Tx Credits 141 Jan 25, 2023 #81 We all make mistakes and Mamamoo is no exception. I know they've apologized for many of their other problems they faced but seriously, the hate is so overwhelming. problematickpop:. Others, despite agreeing that Hwasa was at fault, thought the questions were taking it too far. Im also scared of spreading misinformation and making mistakes (both of which are things I have done), and I dont like the idea of people feeling too intimidated to call me out when I mess up. document.querySelector("#google_image_div").addEventListener('click',function(){ Watch popular content from the following creators: natalie(@chuusvideogame), matching pfp with @asapminho(@ryyujinnn), Malaiya<3 (@soulspotato__), donnie<3(@twicesring), number one heejin stan(@realchaeyoungpark) . The point is to provide information about things which could be perceived as offensive so that fans can decide for themselves whether or not they feel comfortable continuing to support the idols. eventAction: 'view' In this video, they wore blackface. Zhoumi laughed about the earthquake of 6.8 magniture that hit Taiwan saying When the earthquake struck just then, it was just like playing. Moreover, Zhou Mi even used last years Si Chuan earthquake as comparison, saying: Last year, when we were promoting in China, we also met an earthquake, and it was pretty happy. And Han Geng who was beside him immediately rushed forward to clarify: He (Zhou Mi) doesnt mean happy. However, it was too late, as everything was already recorded by the media. So to me Mamamoo isn't the most problematic groups, they are one of the every few kpop groups that take criticism and acknowledge it and learn from it. But she probably could not have predicted that an #AskHwasa hashtag could have drawn out some of the worst Twitter drags in recent times. if he simply stated that he thought they were gay/trans, then there isnt a problem because theres nothing wrong with a person being gay/trans. I love mamamoo their song i miss you is what got me into them as that song made me really sad but their songs hit different and Moonbyul is such a tomboy and i love her, I love how Moonbyul dominates this poll lmao, Moonbyul isnt even my bias anymore but I cant switch my vote so yep go dominate girl. This was such a good response. The callout, this time, however, was linked to the singer's inclusion of Latin-themed elements in her song's lyrics and music. }); Mamamoo's Hwasa has come under fire more than once after accusations of racism and cultural appropriation. if he just said that he wasshocked because he thought they were gay/trans, then its iffy. Its much appreciated :-), Im KOREAN TOO, and shes lying, i will post a video with the REAL ONE and gonna call you out too.-. document.querySelector("#ads").addEventListener('click',function(){ Good night @noobmaster89 and solar cult. This page was loaded Sep 23rd 2021, 9:34 pm GMT. Not saying they should be excused for the things that have hurt other peoples feelings, but I dont think causing controversy or hurt would ever really be their intention for anything. And that isnt even getting into the worst of it. hitType: 'event', hitType: 'event', Hwasa's most recent callout stemmed from her latest comeback with the track 'Maria', a song that delved into her own struggles with mental health and being on the receiving end of severe hate. Im aware people can be incredibly childish when it comes to offensive stuff in kpop, almost like its some game, like, there are actual people who look forward to exos next fuckup as though its not something that deeply upsets people. its actually really frustrating when sources get deleted because then theres no definite way to tell exactly what somebody said. I very strongly believe that people can change and one action doesnt define them for the rest of their life, and if I dont include an apology in a post, its always going to be because I didnt know they apologised. I still like Ryeowook, I wont defend what he did, but Im still his fan. Ive seen a lot of people (and even previously been them sometimes) throwing around the Siwon thing to say hes wildly homophobic, for example, when it turned out to be heavily unreliable and probably false. I only made the post because Ive personally received asks about whether or not there is a Super Junior master post and whether specific members have done anything, and thought itd be easy to compile a list, seeing as thats sorta what this blog is for. Ill probably check over the masterpost tomorrow and try to add more info and context and stuff. not excusing it or defending, but Henry was a little boy from Canada, and that kind of fan service is really odd in general to the West, Id hardly call that problematic. Honestly, I would want the person that I love to be more pretty or more handsome., Culturally appropriated a Native American headdress. Please feel free to contact me if you think Im missing anything! Posts: 337. I wholeheartedly accept that I messed up on this and Im really sorry, because I feel like I sort of have a responsibility not to spread misinformation and thats exactly what I did. A lot seem to be taken out of context and exaggerated. For a lot of other controversies in Korea (like addressing an older person informally), international fans may not understand those issues as well as Koreans and believe that it's no big deal. Yes, I should have checked the links. Another misconception I found was about Hwasa and how shes the devil and sooo racist. Meanwhile for girl groups it's just full of hate comments even if they did not do as many or as severe problematic things as boy groups. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. It's even harder these days.. anything can be taken out of context for example, they're banning "Baby It's Cold Outside" on the radio because some people feel the lyrics suggest date rape what a load of BS. },false) Kissed Yewons thighs on We Got Married while carrying her on his shoulders, Persuaded Jackson (GOT7) to accompany him in going into the girls room without permission and rifling through their stuff on episode 45 of SBS Roommate, thanks for not defending the other stuff I guess, okay this is actually the last post I just find it hard to sleep when I dont resolve stuff, An Apology For the Super Junior Masterpost, I wasnt trying to paint suju as bad guys or anything I honestly just wanted to help the people whod be sending me asks, sorry to bring this up again but a few more people reblogged it. Theres no point calling people too sensitive, especially when the stuff pointed out causes many problems, for fans and also the members themselves (for example, Kai has shown numerous times that he is upset by/fed up with the comments on his skin). You must understand that Asians are very very different from non asians in terms of being conservative, preferring lighter skin and saying that theh are not gay. Guess we just have to deal with the immature fans who judge them for small things. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. From my own judgement, the members seem like good, genuine people. hitType: 'event', Hwasa, while covering the track, read the lyrics as is, leading to the gaffe. Im going to leave this blog up so people can still refer to some of the posts and look through the tags. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), I was enjoying binging 4 years worth of missed content from them but I guess it's inevitable that I stumbled on . Thank you everybody for everything! You need to Register or Login to view the content. **All colorism is bad, but i think its fair to say that whenever Tao or Kai try to deflect colorist comments onto each other, it is usually a form of defence mechanism that stems from internalised colorism. While MBC later clarified that the outfit was meant to be a glamorized version of the sauna outfits worn by South Koreans, particularly a style that Hwasa herself has worn before, many thought the outfit was far more similar to an African one than a Korean sauna look. When you choose to spend that privilege constantly mocking and harassing people online, well, karma's going to come back to you, in some form or another. (especially since hes never repeated anything like that.). Coming in at last place is the debut single of NMIXX, O.O.This song now also holds the distinction of having the lowest average in the history of KSOTY. Above all, however, Mamamoo is a power-vocal group and strongly celebrated for it, even winning Favorite Vocal Artist at both the 2018 and 2019 MAMAs. Im not trying to run away from anything, if you have issues with any of the things I say or do (because I am privileged in certain aspects) please dont feel afraid to bring them up! 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